MSS003 – Halloween & Fear | Vaginal Fisting

MSS003 – Halloween & Fear | Vaginal Fisting

Fri, 10/30 • 1:06:55

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

scene, fear, fisting, halloween, orgasms, feeling, couple, new orleans, hand, hormones, wand, D|s-M

SPEAKERS

Mr Fox , Little Kaninchen, , SirJ, Star

Little Kaninchen  00:01

It’s the most wonderful time of the year. It’s Halloween season! It’s my absolute favorite holiday of the whole year. Don’t you love Halloween Mr. Fox?

Mr Fox   00:14

Well um…  Yeah…

Little Kaninchen  00:20

Oh oh wait, maybe after last Halloween in New Orleans maybe not.

Mr Fox   00:26

Everybody if you can fight your fear and stay until the end of this podcast episode we will share what actually happened to me last year, Halloween, in NOLA.

Little Kaninchen  00:39

Our topic tonight. What do females everywhere fear the most? Is it Michael Myers? Is it Freddy? Is it Jason? No, it’s VAGINAL FISTING!

Mr Fox   00:53

Good evening, everyone, just like on Halloween we have a special treat for you tonight.

Little Kaninchen  01:00

Great accent Mr. Fox, but you are Romanian. And by the way, hey, later, I have a trick for you.

Mr Fox   01:07

Tonight, we have special guests joining us in a frightening discussion all about Halloween and Vaginal Fisting.

Little Kaninchen  01:16

And then we will have a great discussion on how Halloween and Dominamnce and  submission are related. Are you ready to get the spooktacular podcast started?

Mr Fox   01:25

I am…

Little Kaninchen  01:26

Let’s do it. Do you want to know a secret? Do you want to have a secret? A dirty little secret. A secret that you only share with your spouse. A secret that is so magical and so intimate in ways you can only imagine. Come on, you must be curious. Marriage has a new secret, an accessory of sorts. Come fall down our rabbit hole and we will share our secret about the wonderland of intimacy. We can give you all the edge without your marriage ever getting cut. Welcome to Married with a Twist podcast.

Mr Fox   02:03

Welcome to the Married with a Twist podcast. We have a special treat for everyone tonight. It’s not Michael Myers, but rather a guest host couple. These guests are going to tell us about their experiences around the topic of FISTING. They’re here to help us all become a little less frightened. Everyone, would you please help us welcome star and SirJ.

Little Kaninchen  02:27

Woo-woo…  Before we get talking to them, I just want to wish everybody a happy Halloween. It’s the best time of the year. But today, let’s just start with the quick definition of fisting. Fisting is a term that a person uses when a couple or a person participates in a sexual activity that involves inserting a digit, a hand or even a fist into the vagina or rectum. But today, don’t fret, the rabbit hole will only go so deep.  We will only be discussing vaginal fisting today.

Mr Fox   03:04

All right, like that’s not enough, right? Hey, let’s begin this huant, by letting our special guests introduce themselves tonight. Good evening star and SirJ would you tell us a little bit about yourselves?

SirJ  03:19

Good evening. 

Star  03:20

Good evening. Star and SirJ, we are both 32 and 33. We’ve been married 11 years, together 15. We have three little kiddos. They’re five, three, one and a half and one due here in just a few months.

Little Kaninchen  03:44

Woo-woo

Star  03:44

We’ve been D|s for three and a half years now. I can’t believe it’s that long already. And we’ve been part of the D|s-M community for pretty much that whole time.

Little Kaninchen  03:59

Look what we’ve caused.

Star  04:01

 Yeah, right? The rabbit hole has run really deep.  I guess our unique thing is that we’re sadomasochists too, and full time D|s.

Mr Fox   04:18

All right. Awesome. I gotta say too that, real sadomasochism isnt really that common, I don’t think, really. So you two are going be great for this episode.

Star  04:32

We feel blessed that we have each other. We kind of have that built in relationship with each other.

Mr Fox   04:38

Yeah, you guys have had a really long term-relationship, it sounds like right. Did you say like 15 years together?

Star  04:44

Yeah, we were highschool sweethearts. 

Mr Fox   04:45

I love it. Where’s my applause button now right?

Little Kaninchen  04:50

Another one for the high school sweethearts. 

Mr Fox   04:51

Yeah. You know, it’s a little strange though, honestly, is like the length of relationships for people that are in D|s-M, it tends to be that there are a lot of high school sweetheart couples here. A lot more than I would have ever expected. So it’s pretty amazing. So let’s kick off the questions here. You guys ready?

SirJ  05:12

We’re ready. 

Mr Fox   05:13

Alright. LK do you want to do the first question?

Little Kaninchen  05:15

I will. We’re going to ask you first, where did your interest in fishing begin? Was it before or after you began D|s-M?

SirJ  05:30

My first interest, it would have been after D|s-M. And I really didn’t even think much about fisting until star I went through her hard limits and what she was willing to try list. We kind of had a list made out and we went through that. And that was one that made the cut. We kind of went from there and then just ended up happening during one scene.

Star  05:59

Yeah, I just read about it, you know, in passing or had seen it in porn in passing, since D|s.  Before that we weren’t kinky at all so it never came up, of course. But it wasn’t honestly anything I’ve ever really wanted to try. Except for like, when you’re in the moment, and you just want more of whatever he gives you. But yeah, like you said, it just kind of happened one night during a scene. 

Mr Fox   06:24

Okay, I think that’s really interesting. So when you were doing the limits list, it was actually something that she didn’t scratch off, she didn’t say, no that’s a hard limit?

SirJ  06:34

Correct. 

Mr Fox   06:34

Okay. 

Star  06:35

Yeah,we scratched off the other fisting.  It’s still on th no list.

Little Kaninchen  06:42

The rectal fisting you mean.

Star  06:44

YES, but I was…

Little Kaninchen  06:47

Hard limit.

Star  06:49

This one wasn’t necessarily that hard of a limit, so…

Mr Fox   06:53

And then SirJ went that’s on my to do list, so we’re going there.  Alright, so I am really curious about this whole process, because I think this is going to be something that, I don’t even think lk has a hard limits list. I mean, she does but it’s clearly everything’s always well with inside what would be on my hard limits list. So we really talk more about mine than hers. But this will probably be a part of a rabbit hole that I could see us going down. For myself, I really am curious, like, how do you get everything started, right? Like how do you prep for this big moment in time?

SirJ  07:41

Prep work for this is I make basically, I do not glove up or I do not glove up. That’d be a total turnoff for Star. She’s not into the doctor, medical scene at all. So we skip that part. But I do make sure you want to have short nails and you don’t want to scratch or cause any tears or anything like that. And then make sure you have plenty of lube and you’re ready to go.

Star  08:10

Yeah, I guess like prep for us is more of like how my psychology works and our trust level is we have our limits list. And so, if I don’t know what’s coming, I do better. So I prep the same way every night, you know, just cleanup wise, showering, whatever, that whatever he wants to do, he’s free to do with me. And I don’t have to like, go through the mental challenge of getting myself ready. I’m just ready for him whenever, then.

Mr Fox   08:40

Okay. I mean, that’s pretty interesting right there. So that’s in my mind as well.  So it’s not something where SirJ preps you and says, “Hey, we’re gonna do this kind of scene tonight.” And you do something different. So like, psychologically, you’re just ready to go for whatever he’s desiring that night.

Star  08:56

Yeah, I just work better that way. I’ve talked to lk before about how you talk about your scenes and everything ahead of time but for me physically and mentally, it doesn’t work as well that way. I’m just better if we do it, If he reads me, and we just kind of flow like that. It works better for my psychology. Otherwise, I kind of psych myself out of something.

Little Kaninchen  09:20

Right, so it’s not a planned scene. It’s just something that may happen during your scene or your play.

SirJ  09:27

Yeah. Yeah. 

Little Kaninchen  09:29

Okay. 

Mr Fox   09:29

Okay. Because that was another question I have for SirJ. Is it something, because when I go into a scene oftentimes it isn’t or doesn’t turn out exactly what I had in my mind. So that was a question that I had. Is it something that’s always planned or is it kind of like in the moment, like this is the direction that you feel and in that’s where you take it.

SirJ  09:48

It’s almost always in the moment. The first few times we ever scened, I would write a few things out and it seemed like the more I wrote out, the more mechanical I became And the less in tune so I don’t write anything out anymore. I just have a few things laid out and a few things in the back of my mind and we just go from there.

Mr Fox   10:07

Yeah, we’re real similar because my first couple like I had this vision, like a movie in my mind and after about the first two minutes, it wasn’t there. It wasn’t at the place in my mind where it was right. And I had to make that decision. Do I force it down this path? Or do I just let it naturally progress into whatever it’s going to be? So and also the glove up… That was a, I was real curious about that. And when you say it, I try to visualize it. I’m thinking about the position of the hand and probably the fingernails and stuff probably aren’t as important are they?

Star  10:39

Yeah, for like the begining of it, maybe. But, yeah as it progresses it becomes less important,

Little Kaninchen  10:49

Right, exactly and they do have an actual fisting glove that’s made out of like a very soft, rubbery plastic. So it says it does help people that might, you know, maybe there’s sir’s have a big hand and the knuckles or whatever, like it does help things kind of slip in a little bit better. If you use a glove or. Overall, what do you guys when you’re thinking time, I know you’re not sitting or timing yourself with a stopwatch or anything. But how long does that really take approximately, do you think?  A fisting scene?

Star  11:31

It really depends on the foreplay and mindset.

SirJ  11:37

Yeah, I always try to set a couple hours away for a scene.  Ours usually don’t seem to take too much longer than a few hours. And that’s about all the time we have with keeping the kids in their bed. 

Mr Fox   11:47

And your lucky to have that right?

SirJ  11:51

Yes, exactly. Like you can only keep the door locked for so long.

Star  11:54

It really depends a lot, like we’ve had quick fisting scenes. And that really depends a lot of how turned on you are and how lubricated you are. That determines how pliable you are to. So it’s not something that can be rushed. Unless your body is like already prepped for it. If that makes sense.

Mr Fox   12:18

Sure, it sure does. I think it does.

Little Kaninchen  12:21

So like when we’re talking about foreplay, what what type of foreplay is involved when you guys decide to do something like this.

SirJ  12:32

Pretty intense stimulation on the outside to start with. And then I usually keep up with that for quite a while. And before even try to start fisting or anything like that, she has multiple orgasms before I even get there. So she is ready, and relaxed, and basically, she’s ready for anything at that point.

Star  12:57

Yeah, it’s best when you’ve like had too many orgasms to count or that you care to count or you forgot that you could count.

Little Kaninchen  13:07

That last one especially…

Star  13:08

And you are just to that do anything to me please stage because then your body like all of your hormones are fully released. And everything is much more relaxed and very lubricated just in response to the orgasms and his stimulation. Like I said, that’s where it kind of varies some nights that takes a lot longer than others, but it usually is a matter of multiple orgasms and how fast he can make me do that sometimes determine how fast we get to the fisting part.

Little Kaninchen  13:45

Super interesting. before we actually get into like the technique and all that, can each one of you tell us maybe what your fears were?  Maybe then other people out here those listening to us will feel not so alone and and tell us a little bit about each one of your fears before you started doing this? 

Star  14:08

Sure. Well our first time was a surprise to me. Afterwards thinking on it, even like right afterwards it’s like oh my gosh, is this is it gonna go back in the place? Is it still gonna feel good to him, afterwards? I think that’s probably everybody’s fear. Right? We work really hard with our kegles and everything. Make everything so nice and tight. And then we want him to insert his whole fist. And hopefully it goes back and it does. So just put that out there. But that was my biggest fear I think. You didn’t have any fears.

SirJ  14:49

I didnt have any fears. You know, she’s had three kids prior or two kids, I guess prior probably where we really started. And everything snaped back pretty quick.

Mr Fox   15:06

I would think that would be probably one of the most common questions we would have, right? It certainly is, for me. When I start visualizing doing it, in my own mind, I start developing a list of questions, I’d want to ask you guys, how would it really happen? But that would be one of my concerns or fears, like what, you know, my damaging something?

Star  15:27

So it really is a stretchy organ. So…

Little Kaninchen  15:31

Yeah, baby’s head comes out, you know, a baby’s head comes out of there. You have to kind of think on that pretense,.

Star  15:39

Yeah. And a lot of it is similar hormones that are reacting on your body. So if you can stimulate those hormones to help you relax, then you can accomplish a lot of the same thing. 

Little Kaninchen  15:52

Absolutely.

Mr Fox   15:53

So the next thing that I’m curious about is lk mentioned a minute ago, techniques, but I’m also curious from what SirJ had said, and when he talks about stimulating everything very well. I’m curious about your techniques. And I’m also more specifically, I’m curious is there something that you do specifically for the orgasms? I guess what I’m wondering is what kind of stimulation? Is it a lot of want or what kind of stimulation gets things moving?

SirJ  16:26

It’s usually a lot of wand like you had mentioned.

Star  16:34

I’m a masochist so pain related orgasms for me do a lot but clitoral orgasms do a lot, too. So either he’s causing a lot of pain and I respond to that, or using a wand or something like that on me usually.

Mr Fox   16:53

Or a mixture of both probably.

Star  16:54

Or a mixture, usually a mixture.

Mr Fox   16:58

And I can see that because lk, is the same way. I wouldn’t say she’s a masochist at all. But pain, like when that pleasure gets there the pain becomes… I mean, I think it’s still a little bit of pain but it really drives the pleasure at that point. And I wouldn’t say she’s a masochist. But like, it becomes a whole orchestra of that right or symphony of that.

Star  17:17

And I think it would vary for each couple Like what stimulates them the most? What gets them out of their headspace the most would be the most effective.

Mr Fox   17:28

Yeah, good point. For techniques. Sir Justin, how do you start? Right? Like how do you begin from not doing it to getting your fist in?

SirJ  17:44

I think when we first started, I usually start with a wand and obviously have a blanket down ahead of time under her.

Little Kaninchen  17:54

I would need a kiddie pool, so yeah.

SirJ  17:59

We have a passion blanket. It’s wonderful. Yep. Start with the wand, usually and then once I feel she’s ready, I just start with usually two fingers right away. And a few orgasms later, the third one goes in. And then I just slowly go from there. And then once the fourth is in, you’re pretty much there. And you can find your hand in and then curl your fingers. And let her relax. 

Mr Fox   18:32

Okay.

Star  18:33

Yeah, I’m either, like really distracted with something he’s doing or just so highly stimulated that I’m just ready for it.

Mr Fox   18:43

So I got to ask to…

SirJ  18:47

With star we sometimes hardly need lube at all. It just depends on your sub there. Sometimes we don’t even have it out. Yeah,

Little Kaninchen  19:01

Lucky girl. That changes with age, but you’re very lucky.

Star  19:04

Yeah, I know. I’ll enjoy it while we’re younger.

Little Kaninchen  19:07

Yes, yes. becuase I was like that but then life comes along and dries you up a little bit.

Star  19:16

I would say that squirting can be kind of counterproductive as a prep, because it is more like a washing off of the lubricant.

Little Kaninchen  19:25

Yes, that’s very true. 

Star  19:29

If you are planning on doing that later in the evening, try to avoid squirting stimulation, because that can be counterproductive. 

Little Kaninchen  19:38

Absolutely.

Mr Fox   19:39

So this was another question that I was going to have but maybe you aren’t the right person to ask, but maybe you are. I’m curious, like what kind of lube you would use? I would think you’d want something really good, right? Something that lasts a long time. Do you guys use any lube at all? 

SirJ  19:55

Not very often.

Mr Fox   19:57

Alright, because as I’m trying to visualize this happening with lk and I, I was wondering what would I use so that it was still pleasurable.

Star  20:06

Yeah.

SirJ  20:10

From the reading I’ve done it the waterbase would be the best and safest. 

Mr Fox   20:15

Okay? 

Little Kaninchen  20:16

Yeah.

Star  20:18

Yeah, because I guess that was my other fear like safety wise you are getting up close and personal with the cervix.  And I’m pregnant half the time but nothing is bothered that either, but I’d want to use the status, you know, lubricant and everything to avoid any infection or irritation.

Mr Fox   20:40

Yeah, absolutely. So, and I’m gonna ask this question to you, I feel kind of silly asking it because it is super personal. But I mean, we are talking about fishing, right? So how much more personal does it get?  I’m curious, and again it’s just my mind’s eye thinking about the scene. And I think I know the answer, but I am wondering, so you use a lot of wand to get it to the point where you could get your hand in so you could begin firsting.  So when your hand is in, do you go back to the wand? Or is that just way too much stimulation? Like would you put the one back on at that point?

SirJ  21:16

It’s usually put down at that point. And I can use my other hand, since it’s so sensitive there, If I want extra stimulation down there. 

Mr Fox   21:25

Okay. 

SirJ  21:26

Otherwise the wand is pretty much down at that point in time? 

Star  21:33

I think I might die if I had fisting and wand.

Mr Fox   21:39

In a guy’s mind, sometimes.

Little Kaninchen  21:41

You just like pass out. I just started seeing stars. And I’d be like, good night.

Mr Fox   21:45

That’s exactly what I’m asking, though. Because sometimes guys just think more, more and more is better. Right? It’s always better.  Keep stacking it up. 

Star  21:52

Yeah.

Little Kaninchen  21:55

Well, I have to ask, though, for everybody else listening out there. Have you guys ever had a rough scene doing this? And if so what did you do? What happened?

Star  22:08

Yeah, we’re trying to kind of think of that. And I think like, the worst thing is, like, if I’m just not mentally there that night.  For whatever reason, I’m not lubricating well, and that usually, if I can’t get wet, then I just kind of lose it, mindset wise. And that’s because I’m younger and I’m not used to, you know, dealing with that. And sometimes it’s like, whatever’s going on at work that day, or whatever, I just can’t let it go. Other times, I’m not hydrated. So sir, has done a really good job at training me to stay hydrated. But if I fail in that, that does make a huge difference. And then, like pregnancy hormones can make you dry too. It’s really hard to get loose, if you’re not lubricated. And it just kind of makes it impossible. You want to do it, but you can’t force it in either. And so we just, we revert to something else we move on. 

Little Kaninchen  23:12

Yeah, the mind is the largest sex organ.

Star  23:15

Yes.

Mr Fox   23:16

Yeah.

Star  23:17

Its very important. And that’s where, like him knowing and reading me that, you know, can try for so long, and then we just need to move on. It’s not happening. So not be too discouraged about that.

Mr Fox   23:31

Which I think is so important, because like, how many scenes have I pivoted on right? Like, SirJ like you were saying, in my mind, I try to look at it, I describe it to guys, is like, I have a macro look, you know, like a 40,000 foot view of what I want to do. And I don’t have it down to every little tiny detail, because it seldom gets to that. So that leaves you room to pivot and do something else if if it’s just not going the way that you thought it would. Which for me honestly happens, I would say at least half the time. I wind up somewhere completely different than where my mind was when I started. So

Star  24:09

We haven’t ever gotten hurt or anything like that, though. We just take our time.

SirJ  24:13

If its not working we switch to the next?

Star  24:16

Yep. 

Mr Fox   24:17

Right. 

Little Kaninchen  24:17

Perfect.

Mr Fox   24:18

Which I think is really important to say, right?

Little Kaninchen  24:20

Yeah, that’s perfect advice.

Mr Fox   24:21

And that’s like, SirJ, you were talking about how slow you went with two fingers and three and like, I think that’s important for people to see that and you were talking about going slow and working into it, which I think is critical.

Little Kaninchen  24:33

Yeah, at any step it starts to falter, then you just stop and you move on. Don’t get at all in your head about it. Just move on.

Mr Fox   24:44

So speaking of moving on, and this is a big on too, in my mind as we’re talking about this,again when I’m trying to visualize myself taking this path or a similar path, but it would get into after care like so when that scene is over, when it sounds like after 30 orgasm, she’s completely going to be spent. Right?  Like literally.

Star  25:07

Pretty much.

Mr Fox   25:09

And being fisted on top it just sounds like she’s gonna be through. So can I ask you guys, and I realize it’s different every time but kind of what does the aftercare look like for that type of scene.

SirJ  25:25

I usually start with rolling her in the right spot in the bed. So she’s not taking up the whole bed.

Little Kaninchen  25:29

It sounds so familiar.

SirJ  25:33

I usually get her cleaned up.  We have baby wipes everywhere in our house. So we started there.  Get cleaned up, and then get the heat blanket on and just sit next to each other for quite a while. And then at some point in the night, I do make sure she gets up and use the restroom.

Star  25:56

Yeah, I’m usually just a limp noodle. And he drags me around the bed into position. But then once I kind of come to he makes me get up and go to the bathroom every time to avoid urinary tract infection. 

Little Kaninchen  26:11

Yeah, UTI is no joke.

Mr Fox   26:13

When you say he drags you around the bed to the position that he wants it, so it kind of ends the way it began.

Star  26:20

Yeah, pretty much. 

Mr Fox   26:23

But again, I’m gonna dig a little deeper here because I’m really genuinely curious for myself.  Like, is there any special type of aftercare you have to do for IT? After IT?

Star  26:39

Um, No. 

Mr Fox   26:42

Okay.

Star  26:44

It just kind of goes back to normal. Sometimes I’m sore the next day, it just kind of depends like how rough he is, once he’s in there.  Because you can be as gentle or as rough as you want to be. And we know that SirJ likes to be rough. And I like that. So if it’s a particularly rough night, then I am sore the next day. But usually not like enough to deter me too much from playing the next day. 

SirJ  27:15

Usually you’re sore everywhere down there. 

Star  27:17

I’m usually just sore. 

Little Kaninchen  27:19

How long does that usually last? Is that like a day or two? Are we talking like a week?

Star  27:25

No, I think like, the roughest time was maybe two, maybe three days. But usually just a day.  Just kind of sore.

Little Kaninchen  27:36

That’s good. 

Star  27:37

And it’s not like inside usually like not inside is tender. It’s just the outside. 

Little Kaninchen  27:43

Do you find that after you do that, that you feel more turned on to do more things? After say having a fisting scene, do you feel like that kind of plays through your mind and your body a little bit longer than say, like just a normal scene?

Star  28:03

I feel like you have like a sense of accomplishment as a sub.  That you’ve submitted that much. And that always feeds your submissive into wanting to go farther, and do more. That’s how I feel about it anyway. 

Little Kaninchen  28:19

Keep going on that it’s like so can you guys share individually, like how you feel fed from from doing this type of scene.

SirJ  28:33

I enjoy the total commission I get from Star during the scene. And she trusts me to read her body and give her what we both want. And I enjoy pushing her as well. She enjoys to be pushed, and I enjoy pushing. So that kind of feeds me as a dominant well.

Little Kaninchen  28:55

That’s the that’s the circle.

Mr Fox   28:57

I was gonna say sounds like a pair, doesn’t it?

Little Kaninchen  28:59

That’s the circle.

Star  29:02

And as far as like the physical, what do I get out of it physically, it really is simulating,  every part of your vagina at one time. So it’s like the best of all the world. And then if he stimulating you outside of that, it’s even better. The orgasms are ridiculous. And hurt as much as some of the masochist things sometimes, because they’re so strong because everything is being simulated. The biggest connection that I get is that we are physically connected like to the max like I remember when we first like the first few 15 scenes we had a little personal but like reached down and feel his hand. But it’s not as hand it’s only as wrist because his whole hand is there and that’s like mind blowing. I could orgasm off of just that. You know the first few times just realizing that that was how happening. So it’s just like the ultimate connection between the DOM and sub, like, submit that your body can submit and that kind of way to him.

Little Kaninchen  30:12

Yeah, it’s like he’s really touching your heart. It is it’s it’s not just the vagina. It’s also he’s touching your heart. Internally.

Mr Fox   30:23

He’s reaching up and touching your heart.

Little Kaninchen  30:25

Yeah, no joke.  That’s what it feels like. 

Mr Fox   30:31

I gotta say, now that you said that the orgasms are ridiculous. Like, everybody’s gonna be, wait a minute, I’ve never considered it before but now all of a sudden, I want some of this.

Star  30:44

And that is part of the be careful thing of like, what I never read or seeing or you don’t see it, like the end of the porn scene or something because I always cut away at the end. But because the orgasms are so hard, you kind of like, tighten up against that. So when he goes to remove his hands, he does need to be careful, because you can start to tighten up at the end of the scene. So he just need to take his time taking his hand out. Because that can be the most painful part for me, is at the end when he’s taking hand out. Because I’m so hyper stimulated at that point as well. That it hurts occasionally.

Mr Fox   31:25

Yeah, that’s a golden nugget of advice than right  because I’m not sure I would have thought of that.

Little Kaninchen  31:31

Yeah, absolutely. And as a woman sometimes like, I guess it just depends with me, it’s I think it’s happening more as I get older, but after I orgasm a couple times, my body will say okay, you’ve done it. And then it kind of does tighten everything up, and you’re like, wait a second, I was having a good time, and then it’s kind of like you have to like kind of start over of making sure I can relax back into it again. Sometimes my body will say, Okay, well, you did it. And it was fabulous. You know, and then that’s it.

Star  32:06

Even when, like he’s done, and he pulled out and you have that like gasp of ah he’s gone? Well, it’s like this on steroids. 

Little Kaninchen  32:15

Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so we have one magical last magical question or spooky question, right? But what would you share with all the beginners out there, okay, that they can’t really find on Google, or articles, what things that they fail to mention is there some kind of really great advice, you guys could just give everyone that’s teh most important thing out of every everything?

SirJ  32:47

My advice would be is don’t go into it, thinking that this is exactly what I’m gonna do. It doesn’t always work out that way. And the worst thing you can do is just stop completely and walk away. Switch it up, and you’ll try it next time and you can talk about it more after. But always have a second option in mind.

Star  33:10

It’s just like kind of learning to learning or embracing, like squirting or anything. It’s a combination of really intensely focusing on what your goal is, and complete and utter surrender of your mind and body to let him do whatever he’s going to do to you. And it’s an odd combination. But mastering that combination, I think is the key to make it all work.

Mr Fox   33:40

Excellent advice. I mean, so it’s don’t force it. Right. And then complete surrender. It sounds like a D|s coupling to me.

Star  33:50

That’s great. 

Mr Fox   33:51

I love it. 

Star  33:52

The ultimate connection.

Little Kaninchen  33:54

Yeah. Well, I thank you guys so much for sharing your experiences. And hopefully tonight, you’ve helped so many couples cast away, and I don’t mean in like the Tom Hanks kind of cast away, but in a witch’s spell spooky cast away. And I’m sure that you guys have helped everyone cast away some of their fears of fisting.  So I’m just gonna say please stay tuned for part two of our special Halloween edition of married with the twist podcast.

Mr Fox   34:27

We’ve been talking about easing our fears tonight. But what causes them? Why do some of us like fear or to be scared? And why do some couples even get off on fear? Join us for part two of our special Halloween episode.  How is Halloween just like dominance and submission?

Little Kaninchen  34:50

You’re the prey tonight. And you know it. It’s so dark in here. You can barely see. Darkness moans and groans Your heart is beginning to race. Then there’s a bright flashes of light, on, off on off. You get a glimpse of a man. A man with a chainsaw, RUN. Your partner decided to do the every man for himself. Thanks a lot. Now your heart is pumping out of your chest when suddenly, Freddy, Freddy Krueger jumps out with you it is gleaming steel talons. Then he takes a swat at you.  Missing you by an inch? He laughs. No worries. I’ll get you tonight in your dreams. Run little girl run. I’m running. I’m running. You’re running as if your life depends on it. And as you meet the finish line you think? Did everyone else make it out alive? You look around? Yeah, wow. Wow, that was fun. I did it. I made it through. I made it through the impossible. You feel like you just climbed a mountain? You’re so pleased with yourself. That was fucking awesome!

Mr Fox   36:07

How did these two topics Halloween haunts and dominance and submission relate? is all about psychological fear. Whoo ha ha ha.  The chemicals and hormones that our bodies put out when we’re afraid. When you get scared what happens? Your heart rate increases to pump more blood to your muscles and your brain. Your lungs tae in air faster to supply your body with oxygen. The pupils in your eyes get larger to see better. And your digestive and urinary system slow down so you can concentrate on the situation at hand. All of these changes in our bodies are preparing us for acuity and performance it is the adrenaline that kicks in

Little Kaninchen  36:52

Adrenaline? Adrenaline is a hormone that’s secreted by of course your adrenal glands. When I say stressed, I mean it gets released during what you perceive as a dangerous moment or a trigger. It will increase the heart rate and blood pressure. also expanding the air passages of the lungs enlarging those pupils. This hormone will actually redistribute blood to the muscles giving you that fight or flight response and can elevate fear and arousal. People can be brought together by emotional intense situations.  A dangerous or fear based situation is more memorable to people. And even enjoyable. I’m sure you’ve heard of those adrenaline junkies. This describes people who love skydiving and other extreme sports or activities. You know the movie from years back, Point Break. The Swayze remake. That movie is about a group of people who like what we’re talking about. For these people, adrenalin generates a feeling of exhilaration that continues after the threat has passed. For some people, that rush becomes a reward, the brain continues to seek higher and higher fear for a higher payoff. Intense fear when experienced with other people can be very memorable. We build a special closeness with those we are with when we’re in that exciting type of state. You can get or give the exact feelings of adrenaline junkies after having a dominance and submission scene. Understand that in D|s-M there’s a term it’s called the mindfuck. This element commonly used during playtime or scenes, even in communications between a submissive and a dominant. A mindfuck is an extremely confused experience, a particular one that is caused by deliberate psychological manipulation done by the dominant. This mindfuck causes fear maybe a controlled one, but still there is fear mixed with adrenaline. You’re excited even scared, you’re in your Sir’s hands. He has control and can stop the scene at any moment. But when the fear begins to subside..

Mr Fox   39:05

When it subsides, there is a secondary hormone release that causes a chemical aftermath that follows a rush of fear and adrenaline. It gives you the feeling of euphoria. Once your brain has processed the fear and realizes that you are safe. Your fight or flight signals stop. And then the brain releases dopamine, the feel good chemical.  Dopamine will reduce your heart rate and so your breathing.  You experience a sense of relief, giving you the same feelings of pleasure that you get after a great…

Little Kaninchen  39:41

 I know what you’re gonna say, piece of pumpkin cheesecake.

Mr Fox   39:46

No, that’s not what I was gonna say. I was going to say great sex or D|s scene that you just had. It’s a scientific fact that those who enjoy fear usually have higher levels of dopamine running through their brain. In other words, those who love to get scared out of their gourds are generally more sated and happier people. Halloween and D|s-M both allow you to safely experience the thrill of fear without any real threat. It’s about understanding and using the right kind of fear, a controlled fear under the right circumstances. An example might be, you’re lost in the woods being chased by a serial killer, you have no control. This is bad, right?  Or, you’re watching a serial killer chase someone else in a movie. It’s totally controlled, turn it off or shut your eyes, and it’s gone. This is good. All of these huanted thrills also provide a boost of self-esteem. Back to lk running through the haunted woods. Lots of people enjoy scary situations. Just because when it’s over, it leaves them with this sense of confidence, or that dopamine that we’re talking about. For the dominant, it’s like being the director of a scary movie, rather than an actual character. We get to orchestrate and observed the wild ride of emotions and pleasure that our submissives take, while on their mindfuck adventure. Have you ever finished a scene and felt as though you could move the earth on its axis? Like you’re Superman unstoppable. As dominance, we also get the same or a similar rush of adrenaline caused by our excitement and participation in the scene. The adrenaline causes that superhuman feeling that we get. However, much like the submissives, this will also be followed by a shot of dopamine, giving us an accomplished more satisfied feeling. Or the feeling of the cheesecake that lk was talking about earlier.

Little Kaninchen  41:54

I know as a subMrs, after D|s scene, I have the feelings of accomplishment. I may have endured what I had never endured before, or could have been a repeated scene. But I know all the while I have pleased my sir. That special mix of chemicals flowing and you absolutely feel high. You come down after, get some aftercare, wake up from a small nap. And you feel it. That internal peace.  You did it. You climb that mountain, you have those badges of honor from the war, and the feelings of achievement are there. You feel quite pleased with yourself. Sound familiar? So whether you’re running for your life or hanging from the ceiling, on your tiptoes being flogged into a luscious fog. The fear is there. The chemicals are there.  Michael Myers may not be there, but the result would still be the same. You enjoyed yourself. You got closer emotionally with your partner. You may have been scared from the experience but knowing you’re safe in his hands. You made it to the finish line. You’re more confident for it. So now you see how holloween and D|s-M are truly related.  Happy and fearful haunts everyone,

Mr Fox   43:14

As I promise those of you that made it till the end.  We have a special true story to tell you about our Halloween. And NOLA, last year.

Little Kaninchen  43:26

That’s New Orleans, for those of you that don’t know.

Mr Fox   43:31

So last year, little kaninchen and myself went on a cruise, our first cruise ever. 

Little Kaninchen  43:36

Yeah.

Mr Fox   43:36

I would say we had a great time actually, when I think about the whole cruise.  Whether the cruise ship itself was top notch, I don’t know. But would you not say the vacation was incredible.

Little Kaninchen  43:45

It was fabulous.

Mr Fox   43:47

Some of the greatest memories with some great friends.

Little Kaninchen  43:50

Fabulous friends.

Mr Fox   43:52

And when we came back from the cruise, lk, and I really don’t get to spend much time together alone anywhere away from the house. So we decided we would spend Halloween or a couple of days alone in New Orleans.

Little Kaninchen  44:07

Yeah…

Mr Fox   44:09

One of the things that we wanted to do, we kind of like to be spooky and do crazy things on Halloween and we wanted to stay in an old downtown hotel there in the French Quarter. So we got a room and we checked in, we had never been there before. It turned out to be a really spectacular place I would say.

Little Kaninchen  44:31

Absolutely, absolutely. But when we walked in, I don’t know if many of you know, but I can feel, kind of like what I could say I feel see, a spirit. I’ve been able to do it since I was probably about, I don’t know, maybe five or six years old. I could feel the spirit there when we walked in the door from the street.

Mr Fox   44:55

And of course lk says this to me.  And of course my response is, “whatever”. So we end up going, we stay upstairs, we take the elevator upstairs and even though it’s early morning or actually mid-morning, early afternoon outside, it’s really bright the hallway is

Little Kaninchen  45:17

Dim.

Mr Fox   45:18

Really dark.

Little Kaninchen  45:19

And keeps getting dimmer as we walk along this back hallway.

Mr Fox   45:25

First, we take the elevator to the second floor, which was all rickety. Is that a good description of it? 

Little Kaninchen  45:31

Yeah, like the light fixtures are hanging from the ceiling. And there’s a few fluorescents that are blinking. It was like a horror show. And I kept saying, our room better not be the end of the hallway. Because I can see down the hallway, there’s like this red dim light, and I’m thinking my room better not be by that red light.

Mr Fox   45:55

Actually, before we got off the elevator, I mean, it’s bringing back memories how the doors would kind of Clank in it was like a five minute elevator ride from the first floor to the

Little Kaninchen  46:03

second floor.

Mr Fox   46:05

And we’re looking at each other and lk is like, where have you brought me? And then as we exit the elevator, we make a right down a hallway and all the rooms are to the left, but there’s one,

Little Kaninchen  46:18

One single door.

Mr Fox   46:20

To the right. And it sort of is a hallway, it’s like a little niche in the wall, sort of right in the hallway. And there’s a red light, no joke. There’s a red light above it, and it’s already dark and dim right. It’s something right out of the movie. We you not say?

Little Kaninchen  46:37

Red Rum. Like you literally I turned and said that better not be our room because we were looking for the room numbers. And I thought there’s this odd room off to the right all by itself. And a red light overtop of it. What would be what would be the chances that would be our room?

Mr Fox   46:56

And with lk’s statement came our…

Little Kaninchen  47:00

Room 225

Mr Fox   47:02

Is that really what it was? Yeah, I don’t remember. Yeah. But it was right. Smack underneath the dim red light in the hallway. The only red light in the place I think.

Little Kaninchen  47:14

Right,  it made the whole white door appear like you it was the entrance to hell.

Mr Fox   47:21

In fact, I think you may have said that before we entered the room. Which by the way was a really nice room. 

Little Kaninchen  47:27

Beautiful room. F

Mr Fox   47:28

For French Quarter It was all remade.  It had..

Little Kaninchen  47:30

Very New Orleans. 

Mr Fox   47:32

these exposed wood beams across In fact, I think it was a mill or something on the third floor originally about the room. Yeah, it was a really cool place. So go on. lk, tell us a little bit of it.

Little Kaninchen  47:47

So we walk in the room and I can feel the spirit immediately. It’s a male spirit. And he’s in the room and he’s standing by the long, it had a very tall, tall ceiling. So they had these drapes that started way up high and came down kind of skinny windows. But I could definitely feel that male energy and spirit, and he would stand by the window and look out and you know, like, since I’ve been doing this since I was young, I just ignore the spirit until they give me a reason not to ignore it. And I do mention it to to Mr. Fox, that I can feel a male spirit in the room

Mr Fox   48:27

Who probably gives you more of a rough time about it then support.

Little Kaninchen  48:31

Well, you know, and then I then I go on, I’m not sure about the intention, like I put a feeler out to see if the intention what that is and I’m really just getting, like this wall like this spirit doesn’t want to really tell me what it wants. So, of course Mr. Fox starts saying, oh..   What were you telling me? What were you gonna do to the spirit if it bothered us?

Mr Fox   48:57

I don’t remember. But I remember. 

Little Kaninchen  48:58

I think he said you’re going to kick its ass.

Mr Fox   49:00

That would probably be what I would say. Yeah. something to the effect of I wouldn’t have any tolerance to be bothered by a spirit.

Little Kaninchen  49:07

Yeah. And then I go on to say just like I normally do that. You know, do not disrespect a spirit or you will be made to be sorry. We just laughed about it. We looked around the room a little bit. We changed we went to dinner. And we went to this wonderful Irish pub kind of place. Right and, and we’ve been creeped out. I’m getting creepy as we got out of that room. I was already completely creeped out because I can see things and feel things that probably most people don’t.

Mr Fox   49:46

And I’ll say like I wasn’t really creeped out at all. My biggest thing is that I stay in a lot of chain hotels and you know, I stay in mostly chain hotels, so it was cool to me to stay in a place that wasn’t a chain hotel and have it be a nice place. I thought that was cool. So I was feeling all good.

Little Kaninchen  50:04

It was it was pretty nice except for the red door.

Mr Fox   50:07

Which I thought was sort of humorous at that point.

Little Kaninchen  50:10

Yeah. I wasn’t humored by that. I could feel what was behind the door. Anyway, so we went to dinner, and we’re just sitting there having dinner, and the strangest thing happens. Let me set up the dinner first. So we’re at a restaurant, and it’s all open, right? We’re in New Orleans. And we’re actually sitting in the restaurant though. And, I would say that maybe they were shutters or doors that they would normally close if if the restaurant was closed. But, you know, there’s no glass or windows separating us at the time. We’re sort of in the restaurant at a table for two. It’s kind of romantic, right up against the sidewalk. And the whole top part is open because it’s in the summer, and it’s warm. Very nice. Very nice. So we’re just sitting there. And many times in New Orleans, or Nola. You’ll see lots of horses and carts and people being towed around in them. And,  you see that all the time. And every time we go, I want to ride in one and it’s great. But we’re just sitting there talking, I think before meals actually got there. I don’t know if our meals were there or not. But I look over and for some reason, this horse looks right at me. And it just turns and makes a beeline like right in the middle of the street, turn sideways pulling a cart, with people in it, and it comes straight up to us and sticks his head through that window. Why we’re having dinner it was the weirdest feeling ever.

Mr Fox   51:43

So the horse and carriage has people in the carriage and the horse is standing on the sidewalk with its head over our table. And the carriage is 90 degrees blocking the road.

Little Kaninchen  51:55

It was the strangest… It was a really strange feeling. It was almost like that movie with the horse head in your bed. That’s what went through my head for whatever reason that I was like, oh, man, this is not a good. Like, I love horses. I am a horse lady. 

Mr Fox   52:12

I was gonna say we have horses. We’ve had horses for many years. So for us, I thought it was kind of cool that this horse would. I almost felt like, realize that we’re a horse people. Like, hey, pet me.

Little Kaninchen  52:24

I didn’t have that same feeling.  I had this strange doomy feeling when that happened. It wasn’t a positive feeling. But we thought we just looked at each other and thought, Well, that was really strange. Because the cart person didn’t say, oh, this happens all the time. Or she doesn’t anything.

Mr Fox   52:42

She doesnt speak a word to us, nobody did.

Little Kaninchen  52:45

It was the weirdest thing.  So we just kind of chalked that up to another cool experience in New Orleans at first, right? 

Mr Fox   52:52

I mean, where else you go to a restaurant sit down in the restaurant and have a horse at your table? It’s pretty cool.

Little Kaninchen  52:57

Yeah. So so we had a wonderful dinner.  We went back to the room.  We walked around a little bit, you know, we enjoy all the ambience of Halloween in New Orleans. If you haven’t been you must, must go. We went back to the room and and decided we were going to chill and probably have some good sex. Yes. And that’s also why we got the hotel room there. So we could walk around and just walk back and kind of have that whole experience and not get a taxi or a lyft or something like that. So we stayed right there. In the French Quarter. It was fabulous. We get back and you know, I change change into something a little sexy. And we turn on the television because as soon as I get back in that room, I feel there is something other than good intention there. So I’m a little freaked out by the time we get in bed. I’m feeling like I cannot even like I am feeling so nervous. 

Mr Fox   53:58

So she is saying that there was no sex for me.  Thats what we are getting to.

Little Kaninchen  54:05

Well we honestly while I could feel it and I kept like seeing these white flashes of light. And we were watching TV. I didn’t say anything to Mr. Fox about the white flashes I was seeing or the dark mist I saw come out of the bathroom because I can see these things and sometimes nothing happens. I try not to focus on that.

Mr Fox   54:30

Actually, you did tell me about mist.

Little Kaninchen  54:33

Later.

Mr Fox   54:34

And I was spouting off about it right there. When lk sees something she wants me to go check it out. So I got up I was tired. I thought we were going to sleep enjoying a movie. So I got up went over turn the light on. Got back in bed.

Little Kaninchen  54:51

Said another mean, challenging the spirit again. 

Mr Fox   54:55

Come on, man. Give me a break here. I’m trying to watch TV.

Little Kaninchen  54:59

Yeah, and a few others choice words. I don’t think they were that polite, but I don’t recall. So we were watching TV and the strangest things start happening. Right?  Like the strangest thing. I kind of started feeling sleepy and I would fall asleep for a second, then I will wake up and we were sitting up in the bed. But I was scared at that point, I could tell that something was angry about us being there, because the whole time we were laying there, I’d hear or we would hear these chains.  It sounded like somebody hoisting some thing up with chains above us.

Mr Fox   55:35

Yeah, I got all excited. lol.

Little Kaninchen  55:37

I was like, that wasn’t the kind of chains that I was excited about. But it was some noises like somebody was working above us. But when you could look out and see that we were the top floor.  So we were kind of wondering, it had high ceilings, so there wasn’t really attic space, or anything that we knew of above us, because you could look at, at the floors across the way and there’s nothing above us. But anyways, so we were kind of dozing off while we’re watching this movie. Of course, it was like Halloween or something. So we were watching this movie and kind of dozing on and off and it was really strange. I got really tired and I would fall asleep. And then like, I’m sitting there and I all of a sudden I hear. MMM… MMM… And I’m like, it took me a second to realize it wasn’t a dream or what was going on. But like I sit up and I look over at Mr. Fox. And his lips are tight shut, his arms are down at his side, like somebody’s holding them. And he is screaming and his eyes are open like he’s awake. And I just kept looking at him. And all of the sudden I was like, wait, he’s not awake.  I was like hey, get up, get up, get up. I kept shaking him. And then finally, I think he’s asleep, but he’s screaming, but his mouth is sealed shut. So this took about it seemed like it took like, 15 minutes, but it was probably minutes,for me to wake him up.

Mr Fox   57:16

It seemed like a long time for me as well.  

Little Kaninchen  57:19

So finally, he does actually wake up even though his eyes are open and he is screaming but his lips are sealed shut. And I knew exactly what it was. And I don’t know if anybody else watches paranormal shows, but that is called sleep paralysis. And spirits are known to do that to people that challenge them.

Mr Fox   57:40

Okay, so my take on it is, I don’t know, I want to be a believer, but I just don’t really know. Right? So I had a bad dream.

Little Kaninchen  57:48

With your eyes open, and you told me something had your arms and you were telling it that you were going to kick its ass,  to let you go. You knew something had you. 

Mr Fox   58:00

In my dream it did, yeah.

Little Kaninchen  58:01

But your eyes were open.

Mr Fox   58:04

It’s funny and if you would know my personality, I don’t know what most people would do. But in the beginning, I was a little nervous when this was happening. I felt like something was getting me in my dream. And I felt like I couldn’t move. And then I felt as though it was a spirit in my dream that had me. And then after a couple minutes when I realized it wasn’t hurting me. In my dream, I told it to go fuck itself and that I was gonna kick its ass and all kinds of crazy things in my dream, but I was almost like laughing and seriously challenging it at that point. So the big question is, was it a dream? Was it really a dream?  I want to be a believer. You know, but like, was that my experience?  Was it like, how can you not be a believer now? Was it a dream? Or did it really happen? Because that truly happened to me just like that. And when lk and I, when I woke up, and we started talking about it. The truth is I also before I went to sleep else, lk saw that mist in the bathroom, which was off to our left. And she also had seen a couple white lights, then at the top of the ceiling toward the door that had the red right over it. And I saw that too, which I didn’t tell her I just made fun of her. But I actually felt as though I might have seen those white lights as well.

Little Kaninchen  59:28

I like quick little flashes of white

Mr Fox   59:33

Almost spinning.

Little Kaninchen  59:34

Yeah, I didn’t say anything to him because he had never mentioned before of ever seen anything like that. So when we started comparing notes, and after the sleep paralysis happened, we woke up that next morning.  I don’t know if I slept the rest of the night to tell you the truth. I stayed up watching all kinds of scary stuff, but I was scared.  And I can get spooked, but I’m hardly ever that scared because I thought it’s gonna get me when I go to sleep. Needless to say, I don’t think I slept the rest of the night but we got up the next morning

Mr Fox   1:00:10

I went right back to sleep.

Little Kaninchen  1:00:11

He probably did. And again, there was no sex that night I was scared to death.

Mr Fox   1:00:17

There was no sex. 

Little Kaninchen  1:00:18

Yes, I have to say the next morning we got up had breakfast and straight to the Voodoo shop. They have a couple really great voodoo shops there. And we got a few saging protection candles for the room. And I thought I’m gonna I’m gonna use these. I mean, it couldn’t hurt us, right. We didn’t go back to the room most of the day because I was just so scared. And I can take a lot of spooky stuff but this thing’s intentions in that room. He did not want us in that room. He was making it totally clear that he did not appreciate appreciate Mr. Fox’s dominance at all. He wanted to be the dominant being in that room. So we burnt the candles that night. Nothing happened.

Mr Fox   1:01:10

There was something weird about burning the candle I don’t remember what it was. But they either burnt down…   something about burning that candle was unusual.

Little Kaninchen  1:01:19

The flames were going really high at first. We started burning it, and remember, the flame would get really high I would be like oh my gosh, let’s trim the wick. So we trimmed the wick. But the flames would shoot up really high. But we’ve had other saging candle issues here at our own home. So but you know, the flame just kept shooting up, we burned that candle, and we did it safely of course. But we burnt those candles and nothing, absolutely nothing happened in that room for the rest of the night.

Mr Fox   1:02:00

And she means NOTHING, like I didn’t get laid, LIKE NOTHING happened in that room the rest of the night.

Little Kaninchen  1:02:07

I’m sorry. My vagina was so scared along with me that she like hid. She was like, oh, I’m too scared to do anything in here because there was a third party in there. And he was not happy to have us. So then, like I kept saying, we have to tell these people at the hotel that there is something wrong. 

Mr Fox   1:02:30

And of course, I refused, right? Like they’re gonna think I’m crazy. And I kept telling lk that she was insisting we got to tell them, we got to tell them it’s haunted. That room is haunted. And I kept telling lk, lk no way, I’m not going up there and telling them anything like that. That’s crazy. So then, as we were waiting for a Lyft to come and pick us up and take us to the airport. We’re standing in the lobby area. And I began to read some of the articles.  They had articles that were framed in picture frames and hung on the wall. And these articles were talking about this particular hotel was the most haunted hotel in New Orleans.

Little Kaninchen  1:03:14

It talked about how it was a working mill originally and that people do hear the sounds of chains and people working upstairs even though there is no upstairs because that is now the second floor of the hotel and it goes in a U shape. Like I said you could look out and see the into the rooms beside you. And that was the top of the roofline. So we were not the only ones who ever heard the chains rattling, the lights, the black mist. People have seen people in the hallway.  The list went on and on and on. And we had no idea that it was one of the most haunted hotels in New Orleans. 

Mr Fox   1:04:05

Do you hear that?

Little Kaninchen  1:04:08

No. Do you hear that? 

Mr Fox   1:04:09

It’s a ghost.

Little Kaninchen  1:04:12

So anyway, we’ve had events, but we have these great experiences with everyone and great time and we’re so sad because of COVID this year, we cannot have an event or we can’t go to NOLA this year, but hopefully next year, Halloween 2021 we will see NOLA again.

Mr Fox   1:04:37

And I want to say too, because we really like New Orleans and we like that creepy scary kind of Halloween effect. And was it the year prior or two years ago where we actually were at Bloody Marys and did a seance with the gathering?

Little Kaninchen  1:04:53

2017 

Mr Fox   1:04:53

With an actual large group of D|s-M people, right couples.

Little Kaninchen  1:04:58

Yeah, it was 2017’s big event it was it was really fabulous.

Mr Fox   1:05:04

And you know what’s completely, utterly insane, right this minute? Do you smell anything?

Little Kaninchen  1:05:17

Candles burning?

Mr Fox   1:05:19

I mean, do you smell it? 

Little Kaninchen  1:05:20

Absolutely.

Mr Fox   1:05:21

Like it almost makes me want to check to see if something’s burning but it doesn’t smell like anything burning. It smells like a candle blown out to me. 

Little Kaninchen  1:05:29

Yeah. 

Mr Fox   1:05:29

It doesn’t smell like a fire, it doesn’t smell, but I mean, do you smell it?  Am I crazy?

Little Kaninchen  1:05:34

Absolutely, no, it almost smells like a saged candle. 

Mr Fox   1:05:40

Yeah.

Little Kaninchen  1:05:42

All of a sudden.

Mr Fox   1:05:42

I swear it does. I know that everybody’s gonna think that I’m making that up. But I’m still the non believer I think no matter what happens to me even if I came face to face with one I’d probably walk away and somehow make a realization or justify it in my mind and still be a what I would call a non believer but I swear I smell a candle.

Little Kaninchen  1:06:02

I know I’ve been smelling it and I just didn’t think about it until you said that. So that’s really strange.

Mr Fox   1:06:09

For about three or four minutes like right toward the end of this is when I started smelling it. Okay, we’re crazy. 

Little Kaninchen  1:06:15

I guess we’re signing off with a warning. NOLA is the best place to celebrate Halloween. And we so hope to see all of you there in 2021 along with all the ghosties and vampires and things that go boo in the night.

Mr Fox   1:06:34

And if something does get you in your sleep, you can kick it’s ass, trust me.

Little Kaninchen  1:06:40

Good night, everyone.